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Post by duck9191 on Sept 14, 2009 15:57:02 GMT 1
our feild host the Michigan Whirlybirds Fun Fly most years so i decided to stop out and check out the action. fun untill this happened. the guy that decided to fly down the middle of the field at full speed while others were up says its not his fault. also here is the video on vimeo for a bit better quality. www.vimeo.com/6583719 |
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Post by Dillzio on Apr 9, 2010 8:04:30 GMT 1
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Post by skivit48 on Apr 9, 2010 13:28:41 GMT 1
Wow, Way to pay attention.
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Post by parrothead on Apr 16, 2010 1:45:46 GMT 1
I am surprised that guy kept such a cool head. Well, at least what we could see from the clip.
Instant insurance claim otherwise I think I would have suggested that the other fellow (bonehead) find his checkbook.
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Post by Dillzio on Apr 16, 2010 9:48:16 GMT 1
Pretty much everyone that's seen this video feels that the moron that swept down and across all the other flight boxes to destroy the plane that some poor bastard was just hovering 5m in front of him has a lot to answer for. His blatant stupidity could have seriously injured someone, not to mention destroyed someone else's property and hours of hard work.
From looking on the thread about the topic, it appears that he has not taken full financial responsibility for his recklessness. He came to 'an agreement' with the flyer of the other plane, but some of the bill was also covered by the RC club, and the LHS for the club gave them the parts at price, so it's evident that this guy did not do the respectable thing and take responsibility for his actions. I for one would want to kick the cocky little bastard's teeth in!
I know it opens up a whole kettle of worms with the debate over who pays for aircraft damage between two planes - What happens if someone flying a $200 super cub crashes into a $2000 aircraft? Can the cub flier, whom generally only risks a $200 plane by crashing, become liable for a $2000 plane they've never even flown before? I'm sure it's an old argument, and one with no easy answer, but what you see in this video is not what this was about at all. You have one guy, doing the right thing and following the rules, hovering in his flight box right in front of him. Meanwhile another guy, three flight boxes across, comes bellowing across ALL of the flight boxes, obviously without first asking his spotter if it was clear to do so, and destroys the heli of the guy that's just standing there doing nothing wrong. That's just a combination of stupidity and recklessness, and in my opinion that was the ONLY cause of this crash. I really feel for the guy that had his heli destroyed by this idiot, I know how I would feel.
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Post by ginginho on Apr 16, 2010 13:35:06 GMT 1
I am surprised that guy kept such a cool head. Well, at least what we could see from the clip. Instant insurance claim otherwise I think I would have suggested that the other fellow (bonehead) find his checkbook. Not sure about in the US, but in the UK, air to air crashes do not tend to be covered by the 3rd party insurance. |
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Post by parrothead on Apr 16, 2010 13:39:09 GMT 1
Absolutely (Dill).
If there were a moment of second guessing to whom is to blame after this crash, at that exact point in time I would realize that I am surrounded by idiots.
If I wiped out a $2000 gasser because of my stupity with my $200 Cub, its' on me. Regardless of costs. No democracy, no vote.
Be a man, own up to your actions.
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Post by ginginho on Apr 16, 2010 13:50:08 GMT 1
Absolutely (Dill). If there were a moment of second guessing to whom is to blame after this crash, at that exact point in time I would realize that I am surrounded by idiots. If I wiped out a $2000 gasser because of my stupity with my $200 Cub, its' on me. Regardless of costs. No democracy, no vote. Be a man, own up to your actions. Spot on! If you crash your SC into something it's your fault, end of story. It's highly unlikely that someone who's invested a large amount of money into a plane will be flying in the local park and would not know how to fly or obey any local (club) rules dictating circuits, pit areas etc. Could the same be said about all SC flyers?? The question posed by Dillz extends well beyond the cost of another (expensive) aircraft. Who's liable if an SC flyer sends his plane onto a main road causing road traffic accidents and potentially serious injury/death? You've got one guess!  Does anyone still wonder why some flyers get insurance???  |
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Post by skivit48 on Apr 17, 2010 4:21:21 GMT 1
Very good point Ging. That'll make you think twice about getting insurance. I know it has made me anyway.
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Post by parrothead on Apr 17, 2010 16:15:03 GMT 1
Ging/Dill, you guys bring an important point less talked about. I fly in a somewhat remote area but this does not discount the fact that there IS a road nearby. One fly-away, that could be all it takes for disaster. Guys you bring up a serious point that even for us "remote" flyers are not exempt from. As for that bone-headed heli bastard, just a guy who gets off on attention. Obvious. I should not have read the heli thread attached. Its' infuriating. Personally, I would give him what he wants. Just step on his next heli when he shows at the next fly-in. Smack him if he says something. Pay the simple assault fine. Ignore his forum threads. Just my opinion.  |
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Post by Dillzio on Apr 18, 2010 8:26:37 GMT 1
well, there's one chap called scalebrad on the forum that says
"Actually, no one owes ANYONE ANYTHING.
Once our toys are in the air, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
If you can't accept that your model may not come down in one piece, you shouldn't be flying. If you can't afford to lose your model, or can't afford to replace it, you shouldn't be flying. It is your responsibility,and your decision to participate in this hobby, and no one else's. It is also your decision to fly at an event or a club where there are other aircraft flying in the same airspace.
This is similar to an incident where a foamie jet and turbine jet collided at an event. Do you think a guy flying a foamy jet should have a $10,000+ liability by flying a $400 foamie? Certainly not.
Frankly, the fact that some are saying this guy needs to "pay up" is nothing short of scary, and even thinking in this way threatens the very hobby most of us enjoy.
Let's keep the litigation OUT of our hobby."
I must say I feel the same way about ACCIDENTS, there is a certain risk one undertakes just by getting their plane airborne, but what you see happen in this video is not an accident. It was a reckless idiot doing something stupid, in a place where there were rules to be followed. You don't just rock up at an RC club and start doing your own thing.
I guess I like to think that with a reasonable amount of care, you don't need to worry about flying into someone's face or denting a car, or something like that. I have however lost my plane twice, where it landed somewhere completely at random, and there's certainly a possibility that it could have caused damage in either case.
I really don't know what I'd do if I got a phone call from someone that claimed my plane had caused a lot of damage and they wanted compensation, say it dropped out of the sky and precision hit a priceless ming vase with the prop shaft. To be honest, it's something I'd find myself completely unprepared for.
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Post by ginginho on Apr 18, 2010 9:15:04 GMT 1
I really don't know what I'd do if I got a phone call from someone that claimed my plane had caused a lot of damage and they wanted compensation, say it dropped out of the sky and precision hit a priceless ming vase with the prop shaft. To be honest, it's something I'd find myself completely unprepared for. Simple answer, third party insurance. |
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Post by Dillzio on Apr 18, 2010 9:26:05 GMT 1
-something I might have to look into. I hope it's not prohibitively expensive.
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Post by mythotical on May 28, 2010 9:30:46 GMT 1
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Post by krom on Jun 7, 2010 2:34:26 GMT 1
I agree, we should all have insurance. But i have a question.. there aren't any AMA fields within 20 miles of me. Does this mean, if I get this insurance, I have to drive 20+ miles(towards a city) to go to the nearest AMA sanctioned field JUST to be covered by this insurance? I live in a population 600 town way out in the boonies...we have a huge park and many large open areas to fly in, much bigger than any nearby AMA field and with less people flying. I am 1 of 2 people that i even know that fly in my town and the other is an older fellow that maybe flies outside an AMA field a few times a year. I fly about every other day. |
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