Ailerons vs Rudder Questions

[hghost]

I have never used Ailerons. Only on a Simulator.

I know Ailerons and how they work per say, to turn , roll, etc etc

But in using the Ailerons in a turn does one also use the Rudder in the same manner as they would if they had no Ailerons ?

Seems many use Rudder for taxiing and never use them again in flight, I assume a little rudder and aileron would allow the plane
to turn smoother and or snap the tail around faster ?

Never using Ailerons in real flight, i am curious to know how most use them and if they are used with the rudder or do
most use ailerons alone in flight ? And if one had ailerons can they still only use them in maneuvers and still use just the rudder in turns ?

Just wondering how people use their equipment.I see so many making Aileron Mods on their Cubs, I assumed to do rolls and loops and many other tricks
just wanted to know if they just use them for normal flight, turning etc etc.?

Just trying to learn as much info as possible .

[flydiver]

A common transitional question with no absolute answer. Planes vary in how the rudder works on a FLAT WING.
With dihedral the rudder 'tilts' the wing causing unequal lifting forces which starts the turn. The elevator brings it around.
On a flat wing the aileron makes it tilt and the elevator brings it around.
A rudder input alone on a flat wing can do a number of different things depending on the plane. On a Cub it mostly just makes it tilt over and point the nose to the ground.
We do have some tentative folks that desperately want ailerons because everyone HAS to have them, but are scared of the change, so they flatten the wing and only keep rudder control per stock. These individuals are doomed. It would take an experienced pilot to fly that plane.

You might benefit from reading this thread over. It has more answers than appears at first. Your second question is almost certainly hiding in the original one.
supercubclub.proboards.com/thread/5102/dx6i-rudder-elevator-mix?page=1&scrollTo=36352

The real message is, if you want to learn L-thumb rudder control, you have to practice. The best way to do that IMO is a simple flat foamie 3D plane like the Yak 55. The aileron modded Cub is kind of lackluster in the rudder dept.

I also fly wings (elevons, no rudder). It's odd to find yourself trying to give rudder input on turns when it's not possible. When I fly slope a lot (no throttle) my throttle thumb gets pretty lazy when I go back to electric.

[hghost]

Thanks Fly for your answer and the links....read the posts on the SC forum and RC Forum....seems many prefer to fly ailerons no rudder but use little rudder with different circumstances . I have a T-28 micro With ailerons I will use to learn on to start with...I also have a very large T-28 and a large F4U-Corsair...I would like to fly at some point. Using a Sim helps but the Sim is awkward with some planes, seems they get out of sight really fast and the background colors cause one to lose it easily.

I am still flying the Champ when the winds permit and will fly it awhile longer before I maiden my Cub....just looking ahead to get general info to attempt maybe the little Micro T-28 at some point soon...wanted info on the aileron-rudder controls...seems on some planes a heavy stick can turn an aileron plane over in a hurry...just wondered if rudder adding would help that or make it worse ? Seems practice and slow learning is the best medicine....and being All thumbs in this case is not a bad thing.

Thanks again FD for your expertise.

[toff]

Just to re-open this topic, I have to say I personally advocate use of rudder and aileron. It makes turns more precise and smooth, and without the use and practice, that rudder becomes lazy ( admittedly not helped by 3 channel aircraft. Yes it flies fine on throttle, elevator and aileron......flies better with rudder though! Looking at you, GWS and Parkzone..) Very useful on landing approaches, where minor corrections are needed at low speed, or in high speed 'knife edge' flight means the rudder serves as an elevator, and the elevator as a very effective rudder. Simple answer at the end......is there a full sized plane that doesn't have some form of rudder? No? Well, that means it's bloody important then, doesn't it!

[Crazy Horse]

Absolutely agree Toffers!

[hghost]

Seeing How I now own a computerized Tactic Transmitter, I now can set up aileron and rudder mixer and set it on a switch to use it or not to use it .I am not good enough to know exactly how much percentage to do so yet , but will have a trial and error flights to see which is best.
My experience with aileron planes so far has not been good. Most planes ( war Bird type) I was trying to fly seemed to always bank and then turn upside down, no mater how easy I was on the control and how slight that movement was. Now with this Transmitter and being able to adjust the aileron travel, hopefully that will no longer occur.

I have been spending the past few months actually building planes and doing little flying. Seems on the beautiful calm days I have other things to do and at this late season many things to do before winter sets in. And when I plan to fly the day is either far to windy or it rains. I missed an entire week of perfect weather to get some much needed work done at home.

My abilities limit me due to health to do everything at once. If I spend the day working hard, it takes me several days to get over it to do it again.Sometimes takes a week or two to get things done I use to do in a day or two.

But these past few days I was set and ready and guess what ? Yelp, wind blows, rain falls......as always.

BUT that has allowed me to build a few nice planes and set them up. One is a Decathlon I just got together and ready to set CG. I am going to use this one as that aileron trainer . It is a little smaller than the Super Cub and lighter and I am at this moment tinkering with the adjustments on aileron travel and mixing ( aileron-rudder ) for example. This new tactic transmitter is new to me but so far it is easy to navigate and set up the multiple planes I have.
I also built a Cessna and a J 3 Cub two smaller planes, but only 3 channel....needed and wanted something larger than the Champ , but much smaller than the Cub.

Trying those war birds to no avail, is why I posted the original question about aileron and rudder mixture. Seems on every attempt the plane would roll over and inverted within moments and then into the ground as I panicked and moved the controls the wrong way. but in every attempt it ended almost the same way. Even when I calmed myself down to roll it back over...NADA...wouldn't work.
Needed and needs aileron adjustments. The ailerons move way to much and pitches the plane over really fast, plus I never flew them before.( just simulator, not the same ) Anyway...again this transmitter should help with some of those issues and now being able to Mix Aileron and Rudder should make it easier at some point. First i will try this Decathlon, probably not till next year perhaps , unless I get brave and have a perfect calm day appear.
I also have a Yak 12 to build and it has flaps along with those ailerons and has STOL capability....that should be a hoot to build and set up and one day fly , can't wait to try the flaps..and again with this new transmitter they all can be set and adjusted and mixed, should make it a little easier to learn...my hope anyway.

Thanks Toff.......Hope your healing well CH

Have a great Day