Brushless upgrade with safe

[nwpacub]

Does anyone know if one can upgrade to a brushless system, and still keep the safe technology?

[hghost]

I use the E-Flite SAFE receiver in multiple planes

I have not tried the SAFE Board out of a Super Cub in anything But a normal Super Cub which it works....
Not sure if you upgrade to a brushless motor in the SC would work ( simply have not tried )

BUT IF you want to use a SAFE system, I suggest you go with the E-Flite SAFE RX ( the one used in the Apprentice)

Some models require servo reverser or turning a servo around and some may need a ESC changed , most can be avoided by simply installing
a ON/OFF switch like the Apprentice has.

here is an entire forum thread about the E-Flite SAFE in another plane

www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2135213&highlight=E+Flite+SAFE+in+another+plane

Hope that helps

[sham]

It depends on what you want the safe for.
If you want the self righting and the three control modes then you will have to use the safe module from a different HZ plane (but if you need that, you aren't ready for power upgrades in my humble opinion, and you would need a unit programmed for three channels and not four for it to work with a Cub because the four channel ones do most of the panic button operation using the ailerons).

If you just want the stabilization, there are other options including Spektrum as3x receivers or OrangeRX with Gyro - either could work when matched to a brushless ESC. The Spektrum can be programmed with a PC to work with three channels and the Orange is adjustable on the fly.

Personally, I don't think the Cub needs anything other than a basic receiver - but each to their own.

[hghost]

A SAFE Rx even out of the Apprentice ( 4 ch plane ) can be used in the Super cub 3ch....one just needs to plug the rudder in the aileron slot

But with a motor change you have to install a New ESC...more parts, more changes

the Super Cub S has a SAFE Board ( which also houses the ESC ) so, after thinking about it, the Brushed ESC in the board will NOT work with a brushless motor

Not sure why you would want to upgrade to a brushless motor when the Current SC has plenty of power with it's brushed motor and you already have SAFE ?

IF you were going to upgrade your SC to ailerons and brushless motor and still wanted to have SAFE you can do that with the E-Flite SAFE Rx.

I have installed E-Flite SAFE receivers in my planes for various reasons

One it is nice to have that security it gives....the AS3X helps in winds....the SAFE limited control surface movement helps in certain models and in certain places
having the panic button in case your maneuvers go wrong can Save your model in an instant. Having the 3 Flight modes helps you learn the planes character
one step at a time . Having a SAFE Rx is the Exact Same as any other Rx, except the SAFE offers extra security and modes .

there is nothing you can do with any normal Rx that you can not do also with a SAFE Rx...in fact the SAFE Rx allows you to do what a normal Rx can't.

I now am using a SAFE Rx in every plane I fly, does not have to be a plane that came with SAFE...they are installed in War Birds-High wing-jets-extremely large to very small models.
ones with retracts-flaps etc etc all can be used with the SAFE Rx.

My unique location and it's small limited area poses a challenge, and having the SAFE gives me peace of mind and a security normal RX's can not give.

they are even using SAFE in balsa planes and with gas motors now.

from single engine to multiple engine planes

the uses for the SAFE Rx so far have been limitless

they have SAFE in heli's and they use SAFE in multirotors

I have a SAFE Rx and GPS Unit out of a Sportsman Plus that has virtual fence and auto land and holding pattern

My little area limits my ability to use it's functions, so after figuring that out...I removed it from this large model
and now i use the E-Flite SAFE in it instead.

I can fly normally the same as anyone with a normal Rx...BUT with a flip of a switch and in a nano second have all that SAFE provides.

as Sham said the Super Cub really does not need SAFE or anything it flies that well
BUT
if you want that peace of mind, nothing wrong with it...3 ch or 4 ch

Believe me SAFE has allowed me to fly Stress free and enjoy my planes more

I do not have a large field or wide open spaces to fly in....SO, the SAFE fits my way of flying, and my place of flying

there is nothing now, i can not throw around the sky "good or bad"....BUT...I like the stress free , easy, lazy flying and the SAFE gives me that ability
even with planes that normally do Not fly that way .

I even have a Habu Jet SAFE Rx in a Pitts bi-plane

I can do loops-rolls-etc etc and still have that flip of the switch lazy graceful flight all in a nano second.
Believe me has made flying the little Pitts far more enjoyable and not being on edge or stressed out at how fast and maneuverable this plane is.

SAFE has given those same abilities to many people, some flying Jets even...they can enjoy their model and still have peace of mind as well
not losing a expensive model because of a bad move...Yes you can still crash and yes you can still do bad things
but that panic switch has saved many Models for many people....as well as a flip to a beginners mode, that also has allowed a over controlled model
to perfectly controlled model also in that nano second.

In my opinion the SAFE RX is the best piece of technology that was ever created so far

IF they do some changes with this current SAFE/GPS Unit they are using in the Sportsman ( setting your own limitations/virtual fence preferences for example )
Then would that system be the best tech ever created for this hobby.

let us know what you are wanting to do and why....we could narrow down our answers and maybe able to help better

We all are going the same direction , just using different tech to enjoy the ride getting to the same results

[nwpacub]

I was just curious, I was reading that the brushed motors didn't last long, and I like it the way it is.

[flydiver]

Unless you trash it (crash nose in), the motor can generally last longer than the plane. A bit of lube on the bearings and dry lube on the gear set can go a long way to increasing longevity.

The mico motors in the little planes tend not to have as long a life.

[nwpacub]

Thanks for the help

[sham]

Using safe rx from a 4 channel plane in a 3 channel plane will give problems. The gyro senses roll, yaw and pitch and corrects in wind or mistake scenario. It is expecting the aileron channel to roll the plane and not affect yaw much, if at all.

If it has the rudder plugged into the roll axis and nothing in the yaw axis it isn't going to behave well, and could even pitch the plane into a crash if circumstances act against it.

Its the same reason I can't use dual channels for ailerons in my Sportcub with as3x unless I swap out the RX. The gyro simply won't work as intended.

The Safe may well work, but not as intended and a crash would be more likely. Much better to use something that can be reprogrammed to suit a three channel plane. The Spektrum as3x receivers that you buy on their own (that is outside of a bind and fly plane) can be programmed to suit any model and will work as intended.

But they don't have Safe, only the gyro.

[hghost]

Sham you make it sound to complicated...it really isn't...but the Super Cub S-already has a 3 ch SAFE control set up As is and it has AS3x already

and there is NO real Difference in the set up and operation of the E-Flite SAFE Rx out of the Apprentice than the Super Cub SAFE Board
They BOTH operate the exact same in SAFE mode and the AS3X is the same

the ONLY differences are the SC board has a built in ESC and is a 3 ch which all 3 channels operate the exact way the 4 Channel RX SAFE does with the external ESC etc etc in the Apprentice. ( Actually the E-Flite SAFE is a 7 ch Rx )( the SAFE in the SC I believe is 6 ch Rx )

AS3X uses control surface movement to keep a plane stable..

SAFE Modes Control the surface movements , Beginner and Intermediate have Control Surface limitations while Experience mode has no limitations ( like flying any normal RX )

SAFE does NOT affect the Rudder but AS3X does
( why you would have to plug the Rudder into the aileron on the E-Flite SAFE to make it work correctly )

the servo knows Right-Left...that's it...same goes for Rudder servo or Aileron servo...Plugging a Rudder into the Aileron port still gives you Right-Left , nothing else

SAFE to correct a plane knows Right-Left servo movement. IF the Rudder is Left and you hit the panic button for instance it knows to go Right to correct as the servo is already Left

same basically goes for the AS3X if nose pitches up it uses elevator to correct- If plane banks right it goes left whatever movement to make the plane stable in the wind

the SAFE makes drastic control surface movements to correct ( panic button for instance ) deflects ALL the control surfaces at whatever deflection to correct in a nano second
to get the plane back to level flight
the AS3X basically does the same which brings the plane back to a stable position in flight

If you are using a Rx that has AS3X it is no different than a SAFE Rx that has AS3X

If you bought a standard Spektrum RX that has AS3X and installed it in a 3 ch plane and had no aileron to plug in , it will still operate exactly the same

If you bought a E-Flite SAFE Rx and installed it in a 3 ch plane and used the aileron port for Rudder it to will operate the exact same .


There is nothing you can do with a normal Rx in flight that you can't do with the SAFE Rx

Why I now have them in All my planes

[sham]

The only difference in the functionality of the safe system on any plane is the programming of the AS3X part. The gyro. That affects the panic recovery too because the plane uses the gyro to decide how to recover its attitude.

Its different for all planes which is why the standalone AS3X receiver is programmable but the ones that come with RTF and BNF models (including Safe equipped ones) aren't.

Theres a warning in the manual for the stand alone ones that state that incorrect connection or programming can cause loss of a model. The cross connection of aileron and rudder on a module not programmed for three channel operation can cause issues.

Swapping a 4ch Safe receiver into a different 4ch plane is going to be fine, swapping 3ch to 3ch is going to be fine. The only slight problem will be AS3X fine tuning (we all know that some planes are more sensitive to wind and respond to control surface movement very differently), but its probably not noticeable. Swapping a 4ch receiver into a 3ch plane is going to cause issues, as the AS3X programming is out. When the gyro detects unwanted yaw and tries to stabilise, nothing will happen as the rudder is missing (plugged into the aileron channel) and when the gyro detects unwanted roll and attempts to use ailerons to correct, it will end up using the rudder and producing unwanted yaw. The AS3X in the receiver from the Cub will be programmed for the rudder to be plugged into the aileron channel, the AS3X in a receiver from a four channel plane will be programmed to suit four channels. Safe will still work for control levels, but the stabiliser (and panic correction) will be out if you swap them around.

It will probably work (the safe part certainly will), but in some circumstances the AS3X and panic recovery system could do something you really wouldn't want.

Personally, I wouldn't even consider swapping a 4 channel non programmable AS3X equipped receiver into a 3 channel plane.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one it seems.

[hghost]

Warnings in manuals are their to eliminate responsibility to the manufacturers

It also says in the SAFE manual Not to use the Rx in anything but the model it was designed for

There are a Ton of us who have busted that warning many times....lol

without experimentation we would not have all the tech we do now.....

The E-Flite SAFE Rx out of the Apprentice is a 7 ch Rx the SAFE Board out of the 3 ch Super Cub is a 6 ch Rx

These SAFE Rx's are not your standard Rx's and as I said there is Nothing you can do with a normal RX that you can't do with the SAFE Rx

It has been proven by many people other than myself

They are even now using SAFE RX's in Balsa gas models-Jets-Heli's-Quads etc etc

As explained the "gryo" knows Right-Left-Up-Down and it moves the servo in the correct direction to stay level and or stay upright as it were
being in the Rudder-Aileron-Elevator does not matter it does Not read what slot it is in...In moves the servo in a Direction to maintain level or stable

the difference is the control surfaces on the model....and they move Right-left-Up or Down-

your making it complicated when it's not

And in today's programmable Tx's one can change the channel in the radio to compensate for the Rx slot

My DX9 as an example is a programmable TX
in the Channel assign function to make the 3 Ch Super Cub work to get the Rudder on the Right Stick ( which in a 4 ch model operates ailerons)
I have to assign Rudder to Aileron..lets say on the Rx the aileron slot is slot 3...I have to make the rudder slot 3 to be able to control
the plane.

that exact same concept happens when you plug the Rudder into the slot for the Aileron on the RX...all you get is the servo moving right or left
of course on the wing the rod moves the Aileron Up and down...that same slot operates a rudder Right-Left

The RX does NOT know what control it is controlling it knows to move the servo Right or left for example...again it is the Control surfaces
on the model that moves to correct the plane

Simple thing to do is simply on any model you have is switch the Rudder wire over to the Aileron slot on any Rx
and then move the control sticks...you will see you get the correct movement-Rudder will move Right or Left
Put the Aileron plug in the Rudder slot and move your stick you will see you get up and own on the ailerons
The RX does Not know what slot you have them in, it just knows to move the servo and the AS3X system knows to compensate
if it is Left to move Right to obtain stable or level

I will say here on some models those surfaces ( servos ) move opposite and one has to use a Servo reverser to ensure the control surface moves in the
correct direction....on some models people actually turn the servo around to make the control surface move in the right direction
I did that on one of my Yak 12's....the elevator moves the wrong direction with the SAFE RX, so does the Ailerons ( I used a reverser to fix that )
and when panic is hit the plane goes to level as it would in the Apprentice

Again the RX does not know , it just moves the servos right or left ( or up-down depending on how they are mounted )

I do understand why you say what you do,and many people assume the same-We can agree to disagree, but

Had i not been studying this and getting information and learning about it myself, I thought along the same lines
but i learned .

the SAFE Rx requires being placed facing forward as it states in the manual..it says to ensure correct operation
One person placed it in a HK Flybeam and all the controls moved in the opposite direction
so he turned the RX around front facing back and all the surfaces then moved in the correct direction
and in flight it works perfectly, even the panic button...so it is not simple black or white even as
the manufacturer states.

I install mine the correct direction and use servo reversers or turn the servo itself around
to make them work correctly in some models...again the RX has No clue it just knows to move the servos

Also let me say I own many 3 ch planes I use to use a Standard tactic 4 ch Rx in them..
i now use the 4 ch Spektrums....Rudder is on Right stick ( like the ailerons)
and it is programmed in the TX, like the Super Cub
I do not fly them much anymore.

There is an entire Thread on the RC Groups forum about using a E-Flite SAFE Rx.A lot of information for anyone to read and learn
if they wanted to .
www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2135213&highlight=E+Flite+SAFE+in+another+plane

and here is a list of the models the E-Flite SAFE has been used in so far


Airfield 1450 P-51 (Post #4181)
Airfield 1440mm Zero
Airfield 1450mm F4u Corsair (Post #2930)
Airfield 1450mm T-28 (Post #3870)
AMains EasySky Enterprise Yak 12 (Post #4204)
Ares Gamma 370 Pro (Post #2683)
Ares P-51D 350 (Post #4478)
ArtiZan
ArtTech F14 Tomcat (Post #2697)
Art-Tech Pelican 500 STOL (Post #4149)
Beeker (scratch built) (Post #4333)
Bixler 2
Bixler 3 (Post #3257)
Boomerang jet cat turbine (Post #3472)
Century Models Riot
Chris Foss WOT 4
Clouds Fly sailplane. Flipped the control rods from the tail @ the servos to get them working correctly for SAFE. No other changes were needed. (post #1727)
Criss Foss Acro WOT Mk2 foamy (Post #2746)
Durafly Auto G2 Gyrocopter (Post #5086)
Durafly Das Ugly Stick (Post #2700)
Durafly Fieseler Storch
Durafly Monocoupe 1100mm (with AR636F4U SAFE Rx) (Post #2212)
Durafly P-51 "Old Crow"
Durafly Sky Mule
Durafly T-28 (needed to reverse elevator servo)
Durafly T-28 Trojan (Post #3123)
Durafly Vampire (Post #3123)
Dynam C188 crop duster (Post #2383)
Dynam F6F Hellcat
Dynam Grand Cruiser (Post #5116)
Dynam ME-262 1500mm (Post #3123)
Dynam Meteor 70mm EDF Jet (Post #4082)
Dynam PBY Catalina (Post #3544)
Dynam Pitts Python (Post #2872)
Dynam Seawind (Post #5642)
Dynam SU26 M
Dynam Spitfire (Post #5352)
Dynam Grand Cruiser (post #4953)
E-Aero Eagle EPP (58" wingspan) (Post #2726)
Easy Glider Pro
Easy Star II
Eflite Carbon Z Cub
Eflite Carbon Z Splendor
Eflite Extra 300 (Post #2529)
Eflite FJ-2 Fury (Post #3325)
E-Flite J3 450 (Post #3476)
E-flite P47D Thunderbolt (Post #3166)
E-flite P-51D "Dallas Doll" (no mods or servo reversing needed)
Eflite Pulse 15e (Post #3623)
Eflite Rare Bear (Post #2858)
E-flite Stearman PT-17 15e
Eflite Ultimate 2 (Post #4790)
Eflite UMX PT-17 (Post #4837)
Eflite Zero 300 (Post #2841)
Electrifly Electrostick (Balsa) (Post #2548)
F4U-1A Corsair
Fancy Foam Rans S-7 Courier (Post #3452)
Finwing Penguin (Post #3752)
FJ-2 Fury by EFLITE (Post #2592)
FLASH 3D (with AR636F4U SAFE Rx) (Post #2204)
Flite-Test Guinea Pig (Post #3703)
Flitework Red Bull PT-17 Stearman (Post # 2383)
Flyzone Beaver
Flyzone Calypso
Flyzone Select Scale A6M2 Zero (Post #3261)
FlyZone Tidewater (needed reversers on all control surfaces)
FMS 1400 P-47 Thunderbolt (Post #5606)
FMS 1400 P-40, older version (Post #5606)
FMS 1400 Spitfire (Post #5606)
FMS 1400 F6F Hellcat (Post #5606)
FMS 1400mm T-28 Trojan (Post #2566)
FMS 1400mm Zero A6M3 (Post 3233)
FMS 64mm F/A 18 EDF (Post #3832)
FMS F4U Corsair 1700mm (V2) (Post #1809)
FMS P-51 Red Tail 1700mm with retracts (post #1787)
FMS 1450mm P-51B Shangri La (Post #4363)
FMS 800mm Spitfire V2 (Post #4963)
FMS SuprEZ (Post #4408)
FMS Sky Trainer (Post#1810)
FMS 800 T-28 (Post #3370+
FMS Zero 750mm V2 (Post #3461)
Freewing CTLS (no servo reversing necessary).
Freewing F/A18 "Royal Maces" (Post #3922)
Freewing F-86 Sabre 80mm EDF Jet (Post # 3245)
Freewing P-51 Mustang "Iron Ass" 1400mm (Pos t#3123)
Freewing Pandora
Freewing rebel 70mm v2 EDF (Post #4115)
Freewing Spacewalker
FT Old Fogey
FT Simple Storch ( It took a LOT of reversers to make it work). (post #1727)
Great Planes Electrostik
Great Planes Piper J3 Cub 40 76.5" (Post #3119)
Great Planes Seawind (Post #2702)
Hawker Sea Fury -91-4 stroke
HK Hawker Sea Fury 1200mm (Post #2657)
HK Wilga (Post #3605)
HK Yak12 (Post) #3605)
Hitec Weekender Hawker Hurricane (Post #4963)
Hobbico Nexstar (no servo reversing needed)
Hobby King L-4 Grasshopper
Hobby King Pietenpol Air Camper (Post #4067)
Hobby King Walrus (post #1719)
Hobby King Wingnetic (Post #4408)
Hobby Kings Pitts Special (Post #3110)
Hobby People P-51 (Post #1814)
Hobbyking (Super Flying Model) Fokker Dv.III 1200 wingspan (Post #3677)
Hobbyking Flybeam (elevator and ailerons needed reversing-reversing safe rx back to front and still upright works in this scenario)
Hobbyking Focke Wulf 140, 1200mm (Post #2460)
HobbyKing Skipper (post #1761)
HobbyKing Sky Mule (Post #3114)
Hobbyking Trainstar
Hyperion L-19 Bird Dog 10e (Post #2528)
Hyperion Zlin Z50L (Post #2541)
KMP 59" Beaver ARF kit (Post #4459)
ICON A5 (Post# 3094)
Mew Gull-70 - 4 stroke
Multiplex Dogfighter
Multiplex Easy Star II (Post #3872)
Multiplex Funman (with optional ailerons added) (Post #4408)
Multiplex HERON (Post #3876)
Parkzone Archer
ParkZone Corsair with retracts (post #1787)
Parkzone F4U Corsair
Parkzone FW190 A-8
ParkZone Icon A5 (the discontinued scale 52" version, not the current ultra micro). (Post #1733)
Parkzone Mosquito MK VI
Parkzone P-51 BL (post #1960)
Parkzone Radian
Parkzone SE5a Biplane (post #1899)
Parkzone Sport Cub
Parkzone Stinson Reliant (Post #3280)
Parkzone Stinson (Post #3693)
ParkZone SU29MM (Post #1814))
Parkzone T-28
Parkzone Wildcat
PZ Super Cub
RCPowers SU-34
Robbe (Thunder Tiger) J-3 Piper Cub (Post #2704)
Robbe Arcus Sonic (Post #3833)
RocHobby F-16 Jet (Post #2351)
RocHobby Waco (Post #3830)
Sig T clips 60 and 70 (Post #4456)
Skyangel A1 Sky Raider (Post #3490)
Super Decathlon by Phoenix Models (Post #2179)
T-28 Micro--using the Rx from the Sport Cub S (Post #3152)
Taylorcraft (post #1927)
TOP RC FW-190 1200mm (Post 2947)
Top Gun Park Flite F-5E 70mm EDF (Post #4312)
Tower Hobbies Corsair (Post #1818)
Tower Hobbies P51 Mustang (Post 1738)
Tower Hobbies Piper J-3 Cub (Post #3754)
Tower Hobbies Hellcat (Post #4408)
Twisted Hobbies Crack Turbo Beaver (Post #2387)
UMX Beast (Post #2576)
UMX Pitts (Post #2509)
UniqueModels (HobbyKing) PT-17 Stearman Biplane (Post #1887)
Unique 1.2m F4U Corsair (Post #5081)
Volantex Cessna 747-3 (Post #3641)
VQ P-47D Thunderbolt ((Post #4012)

[sham]

It appears that what I'm trying to say isn't coming across very well. Putting a 4ch receiver that was intended for a SAFE equipped Apprentice (or similar) in a 4ch plane of any kind is going to work. Putting a 3ch Cub intended SAFE receiver in a non-SAFE cub will also be fine. Swapping them around between 4 and 3ch craft isn't. A simple test should tell you why.

In your 3ch Supercub, with the SAFE receiver from a Supercub, please power the plane on and activate the AS3X by advancing and releasing the throttle. Then, without moving the sticks, move the plane around and observe which surfaces move in an attempt to correct and stabilise the movement.
When you roll the plane, the rudder should move.
When you yaw the plane, the rudder should move.
When you pitch the plane, the elevator should move.

Now repeat the test using a 4ch Apprentice (or similar) receiver in a 4ch plane.
When you roll the plane, the ailerons should move.
When you yaw the plane, the rudder should move.
When you pitch the plane, the elevator should move.

Now convert the 4ch plane to 3ch by unplugging the ailerons entirely and moving the rudder to the aileron port on the RX to replicate the Cub set up - and repeat.
Now...
When you roll the plane, the rudder moves.
When you yaw the plane, nothing happens.
When you pitch the plane, the elevator moves.

If you can't see why this has the potential to be dangerous in some circumstances... I don't know what else to say.

[hghost]

^^^ Understood ^^^^

and know exactly what you are saying
and understand why you say it

BUT

you do not, get what I stated and what is already done and is being done every day


It is probably my lack of ability to explain it correctly, but that's Ok, i guess
Just know it works and is working ( it does for me )

can it be dangerous , Of course, why you bench test everything and make sure everything is
programmed correctly before you get in the air

believe me I have sent a plane into the tall grass more than once because i missed a step
or did something wrong when setting it up ( control surface going the wrong way for example )

BUT when set up correctly , it works perfectly with No issues at all.

No hard feelings Sham, do not even disagree with what your trying to say

But ask yourself How does the 3ch SAFE Super Cub uprights itself when it is inverted or in a spiral when one hits the "panic Button"
when "you yaw the plane, nothing happens."

I just know what it does because I do it all the time, so do others
and I'll leave it there.


BUT, lets all understand...a 3 ch. plane like the Super Cub does not really need SAFE, it flies great as is...However
what the SAFE does do is Help beginners to Not Over Control their model as most tend to do.
The AS3X allows it to fly in wind and still be stable, the SAFE Modes allow a slow step up for someone learning to fly.
The Panic recovery , allows the pilot to get back to level flight in case they lose control .

The Super Cub platform is an excellent teacher in itself, add the SAFE and you have an even better teacher that allows
a beginner to fly on their own and that is what SAFE is really about. BUT it's design also allows one to transition from
the Beginner stage all the way to the Expert level and still use the same platform they "grow up " on.

I personally use SAFE Rx's in all my models to have that security it gives in my very small unique field
I can fly without it sure , as i have gotten use to my area, BUT what SAFE provides still gives me a peace of mind
flying close to a major highway and in that small field.

SAFE works the same as a normal RX, except it has 2 modes that limit control surface movements in Beginner Mode and Intermediate Mode
Expert Mode is the Exact same as a normal Rx, except you still have the "Panic Recovery Mode " in all levels
It also has AS3X in All modes

The E-Flite SAFE Unit is being used by many people and it works and can work in every model
As I said it does take some modification on some models, like servo reverser-or a different ESC
But a little testing and a little understanding of how it works one can enjoy it's abilities and it's benefits
in everything one flies IF they wanted to.

They have and are developing different SAFE Rx's in multiple models
they have one in the Corsair S-Apprentice S-SU-29MM Sukhoi-Night VisionAire -Sportsman S Plus+- and even in SAFE Heli and SAFE Quads
The Corsair and Apprentice and Sportsman S Plus+ are beginner friendly, the Sukhoi and VisonAire are not really a Beginners type set up
and almost forgot about the Delta Ray and the Micro Sport Cub S and the Habu S Jet.

People have installed more powerful motors in their Delta Ray and still use the SAFE Board, some have installed a normal RX and Brusless motors in the airframe.
Amazing what people will do just by trial and error.

To me this technology has been the best thing this hobby has came out with so far
IF they can create the same System BUT allow the user to program their own set of parameters as it were ( Sportsman Plus GPS for instance )
it would ( to me ) be Perfect.

Enough talk about it i guess...to each their own....One has to do what they believe is best for them
It makes the world go round.

[fixit49]

Totally agree! I have used AS3X,Wise, Aura8, gyro stabilizers in various aircraft with geat success. Yes, my old RC buddies with 40 years of RC flying say I'm cheating but when I show them what the systems will do they remark that they would have crashed less often had this been available when they were learning. They laugh and shake their heads when they see me land a trainer type plane into the wind with Wise system set to intermediate mode hands off with partial throttle. Let's hear it for TECHNOLOGY!