2 Tornadoes last night

[hghost]

It has been a very windy year. Winds have blown both day and night this year far more than i can remember

Last night we had 2 tornadoes near us. One in the County i live in 20 miles away and one a county over 35 miles away. ( here in W.V.)

Allot of tree's down and some homes destroyed. Power outages in those area's.

To close for comfort. It is very rare for a tornadoes to touchdown here .

But weather has been very strange and the winds this year have been horrible, almost everyday.

Thought I would share that info

[coupe1942]

When we moved to Owensboro, KY, they had the first tornado they had seen in 200 years. We had just purchased our home there, but still had our stuff in the apartment complex across town. It took 6 days before we could get our stuff out of the apartment, as you could not enter into that section of town without some proof that you actually lived there. Our water bill and utilities bills were all in a drawer at the apartment. We had moved to Owensboro from Tornado Alley down here in Wichita Falls.

In '79, we had a big tornado down here. I had just gone to get new tires about a week afterwards. At the tire store they had a wheel and tire on display that a vette owner had just purchased the day of the tornado. It had a rail road tie jammed right through the tire and wheel as if it had been shot into the things. I had people in the area who told me that their medications had been sucked out of bottles that still had the lids on them. The pills had all disentigrated inside the bottle. There were lots of wood fences about with straws driven right through the wood.

I was headed to Vernon, Tx., once when a tornado touched down ahead of us. I was driving a convertible Geo Metro at the time. Suddenly all the cars in front of me started pulling off the road, as a heavy hail storm began pecking at all of them. Loud and very scary, for sure. After the hail stopped, there was an erie cloud of hot steam that kept everything dark as it drifted away and the ice balls (hail) melted on the ground and in the fields beside us. Once it cleared, every single car in front of me had it's windshiled and rear glass all broken out from the heavy hail. To my amazement, not a scratch on my little convertible.

My family was to have a family photo taken one day when we lived out in Vernon, Tx. Suddenly the sirens went to blaring, so I sent the kids out to the car port in back to get down into our storm shelter. My wife and I rounded up our dogs to go down. In the meantime, the kids ran back into the house and were frantic, as they could not open the storm shelter door outside. We all headed outside in the hail (which hurt like hell as it hit us), only to find our neighbors were holding the door shut, as they thought the wind was trying to blow it open. My wife would not go down the staircase, as her glasses were fogged over by the icy hail. Me, I got pecked any number of times by the hail as I waited on her to go down. I was about ready to kill some neighbors at that moment, for sure.

I have probably been through six to eight different serious tornados in my lifetime and fully expect more while living down here. Glad my lease home has a small shelter in my garage and that is it not accessable to my neighbors this time around. I take the storms very seriously, as I have seen what even a real storm wind sheer can do, let alone a true tornado. We are not quite in the season down here at the moment.

Good luck in being prepared. Water and food are necessities, but the lack of power can be a real headache, as well. In Owensboro, we had just gone past Y2K when it had hit there, so almost everyone had lots of supplies and generators on hand for that particular storm and tthe local radio station was great in giving out instructions in the aftermath. It is a real erie site to go to a local WalMart and find every single store shelf is empty. That is the way it is after a storm, if the WalMart is lucky enough to still be standing. Be prepared and good luck.

[hghost]

Wow ,Coupe, that allot of close calls.

A couple years ago a straight line wind they call a Derecho came through here, did allot if damage and wide spread Power outages

I got two generators during that time after I lost a freezer full of food ( had just stocked it ) losing several hundreds of dollars
worth of food was horrible ( especially on a fixed income ) was without Power for over a week finally got those generators and a few days later
they finally got the power back on.

Tornadoes are very rare around here...to have two in one night was a shock.

But I have watched the weather the past few years and it has gotten strange here.
Lets just say it is beyond normal and very odd...to say the least

winds have been real bad . I thought last year was bad, this year it blows constantly, both night and day
We actually have had few days with little to no wind. Normally at night they calm, but this year even that has not been happening very often.

Thanks Coupe.....you please do the same...your in a place storms occur far more than here.

[Knackered Sailor]

Take care over there.

And some people still choose not to believe the overwhelming majority of scientists who say climate is happening and that change is caused by us humans. Amazing!

[coupe1942]

Ahhh, but remember that in man's past there were multitudes of scientists who also all believed that the world was flat. Having the majority of scientists believing that premise at the time did little to prove they were correct. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, they were just a tad bit off in their proposition they based their premise upon. Maybe history is indeed repeating itself. :-)

[flydiver]

In the past those so called scientists had almost no data so most of those conjectures were speculation. Now we have hoards of data. The speculation is primarily interpretation of that data. Most of of the lay non-scientific interpretation is political and self serving.

[Knackered Sailor]

Just for the sake of argument let's assume all these scientists with all their masses of data are correct. Let's suppose also that the World decides to invest in renewable energy and ignoring the squeals of the oil and gas billionaires gradually cuts back on polluting the atmosphere. Let us now assume, again for the sake of argument, that in say 50 years time we find that the climate change deniers were indeed right. What have we now got? We have a cleaner, healthier, more sustainable planet with a supply of resources still in the ground for future generations.

Seems like a win win situation to me, what say you? 

[hghost]

Climate change has occurred since the beginning if time and it has to. Simple reading and researching dates, temps, and climate changes will explain to any layman the simplicity of it.

The very scientists who have jumped on a "global warming" bandwagon are the exact same ones who predicted the North and Mid-Atlantic States would be under Ice by the year 2000.....sorry as a citizen of one of those Mid Atlantic States, i can assure you there has been no Ice here.

The Ice melt that has occurred in the Pole also has over time melted and a few years later froze over again.

The Arctic recorded a record low temp this year and has also recorded record amounts of Ice .

The Ocean is Not rising, nor has it heated up as Al Gore and the "glo-Bull" bandwagon was claiming.

Do we have record amounts of carbon ? You bet we do....but consider how Tree's filter carbon and a host of other natural environment materials that man have destroyed.
You can not cut down the Forests and expect Carbon numbers not to go up. As Trees also produce Oxygen that to being took away affects our environment.

I am all for "Green energy" as it were, BUT, you can not stop one source of energy to start another and expect it to take over, it simply will not happen.

there are enough fossil fuels such as gas and oil in the ground to last for thousands of years.....but why limit oneself to only a couple energy makers ?

Wind is Ok, but it has it's limits and does not produce enough to sustain demand,nor can at this moment Solar power. It has it's good, but it also has it's limitations.

people in many nations have no water and yet the world is surrounded by it ? Imagine the jobs and the profit and the Good simple water filtration can do for so many Nations
across this world ? Consider the old saying , " Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime"....and yet drought and starvation
run rampant in our Nation and worse in 3rd World ones .

Take California in a horrible drought. But , in a couple States above, beside and around California it is flooding and water in abundance. Irrigation and routing of water ways could and would benefit all . same way in other Nations.

We can pump Oil for thousands of miles and even Gas, but water they simply refuse ? The pipeline here in the U.S. and Canada have been working on going from Canada to the Gulf Coast.

Why isn't that same concept being used to pump water ? In California because of drought the Hydro Plants are in trouble and electricity will soon be a limitation. I think Turbines are more in abundance there than most places as is Solar....but it can not sustain energy consumption there.

Drought is blamed on "global warming" and yet the Great Lakes had Ice in them in July . Climate change is a natural process . When i was growing up there were bad droughts in California,
in my teen age years that changed and now many years later we are back to drought there.

Growing up here snow was so deep ( chest high ) at times....they rarely if ever called of school. It started snowing in October and we never saw the grass again until the end of March
or first of April.Pipes would freeze several feet in the ground because it was so cold, but Over the years...that changed. It has not snowed allot nor has it been as cold ,until last year.
The Temps have dropped allot and I noticed we are beginning to get more snow fall. We recently have what they call a Nor-Easter. A front rides the coast and brings allot of moisture and bad weather to the Mid-Atlantic States, to have that this time of the year is rare, that is normally a winter front that brings Blizzards. To see it that early to me is a warning sign of possible a worse winter.

The Farmers Almanac is usually correct on it's weather predictions. Last year was Colder than normal but dryer than normal and it was right. They predicted a couple large snow falls which it did. This coming winter they predict the same thing, Colder temps and less moisture .All things contrary to "global warming"

All this ramblingis simply to get everyone to understand "Climate Change" happens and always have...and the extreme conditions also happened in History.

We had the "Dust Bowl" days in the 20"s and 30"s...for many years extreme heat and dry and drought...that changed to wet and cooler etc etc.....we see that Exact same sort of weather Change again, but still not as extreme as then.

Does man and his doings affect weather changes ? I dare say some of the things man does , does in fact have some affect, such as cutting the tree's down( carbon rise ) and sending pollutants in the air ( less Oxygen and Ozone damages )and water ( mercury and polluted equatic life ), that affects the environment and the natural balance Nature was designed to do. But to say man changes the Climate and how it works and why it changes...No, I simply do not believe they do, nor can, as these scientists claim. Which btw 95% of them get their funding from the Government and they will do anything to get said funds .



Climate change has Always occurred and Always will....but Global warming is a Lie pure and simple and there is NO real science to back it up.In fact real science has and still is refuting it.

that's my research and anyone can check the Temps and the years and the changes in their area. it takes a little time but can be done.

That;s also my opinion and so far, it is as the more articles I read about "global warming and true Climate change"...my opinion seems to be correct .

My 2 cents worth, for what it's worth.

[coupe1942]

One would have to make any number of assumptions to find it suddenly became a perfect world. Just a few examples would be assuming that wind power did not kill as many endangered species of birds as it has proven to have done. That fracking does not result in water shortages, creates earthquakes or contaminates water supplies. Assuming the the people in KY or other coal producing states suddenly found wonderful uses for their natural resource abundance of coal. Assuming that the world domination of entities as ISIL and other radical areas as NK, Iran, China, Russia and a whole host of others all decided that the cleaner, healthier and more sustanable planet was something more important that their own personal idiology or religious beliefs and that their future generations would benefit even greater for it. Many of these countries could care all the less about pollution and are far worse contributors to it than even the USA or other nations. You would have to assume that each and every country in the world would all agree to make this their priority in life, which is a pretty far fetched stretch to happen.

If this loads, it may be funny to see in print, but we laugh here at the idea that we, as a city, would ever be drinking recycled water (poopie-water) as he norm. When we cut back on water consumption here, the city actually raised our rates, as it impacted their tax base. We got charged an extra 53% for doing exactly what they asked us to do in order to conserve our water supply. We were ultimately punished for doing as they said and not many here are all that glad to support the folk in city government who originally touted that saving water would be good for us. At a 53% increase in billing, many are in fact pretty fed up presently and it looks as if it may get worse by next year.

news.yahoo.com/science-save-earth-peeing-shower-190635500.html

In reality, arguing religion, politics and global warming is probably never a good idea on a site like this, as it becomes simply a tit-for-tat argument instead of any logical debate. No one is really going to change their minds based on any side of the argument to begin with here, so no winner and no loser, but just a draw in the long run. It is more productive to argue about how to prolong battery life for the best sustained flight time or even which color SC is fastest. :-)

[hghost]

Coupe I am glad i live here where i do so no toilet water is being used for consumption .

there is a very Huge underground water supply not to far from where i live that provides most of this area with clean-natural water.

The other end of the spectrum is two huge man made Lakes that also produce water for the other side of the area.....

as long as there are people there will be differences of opinions for people to debate about.