Greetings

[flydiver]

ACT doesn't crash planes, pilots crash planes. ACT simply makes it easier.
Useful to read this: 6 Keys to Success by Ed Anderson
www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18

With your profession there may be a chance you know a pilot? Getting some help the first few times out can save you a lot of grief and glue. Somehow it seems to have become the new way to 'go it alone' but people used to join clubs and get instruction once upon a time. It's more fun to fly with people too, at least I think so.
Good luck!

[flydiver]

ACT works by using sensors looking at the ground and horizon. It differentiates shade (dark ground/light sky) and tries to keep them that way. If the plane goes up or down too fast and the shade isn't right it 'takes control' AWAY from you and essentially neutralizes the controls. You can achieve the SAME result just by letting go of the sticks. Of course new pilots don't they just over correct some more. The high wing Cub will self correct in time but not immediately.

If ACT kicks in up high, no problem, but then letting go of the sticks would work also. If it happens down low you have NO ABILITY TO CORRECT SINCE CONTROL IS REMOVED! Just like letting go of the sticks once you pointed it straight at the ground from 20 feet up it's going in! Its not useful down low and wrecks more planes than it saves, but it sure sounds good to new fliers. Since they can't fly anyway and they wreck anyway they figure it would only have been worse without it. They can't differentiate between their short comings and ACT's problems.

So it works up high where you don't really benefit from it and screws you up down low when it doesn't help. It also gets totally confused when you fly over water, snow or very light ground surfaces (light concrete, sand) since it doesn't know what to do with that. It's NOT SMART, it's just a shade sensor. What it does best is lure in new fliers. Great marketing scheme.

Someone with experience can fly with ACT without problems. Someone without experience can't fly....period. ACT just makes it worse. It is in fact complete garbage.
You may notice after doing more reading that ACT has been removed after about a decade of being bashed. New electronics are available that actually work.

BTW-one more plug for help. You have a crashed plane. That itself may have screwed stuff up (trim, burned out ESC, bent prop shaft, broken firewall, cracked battery box...etc, etc.). Unless you have some exceptional ability you are as lacking in repair skills as you are in flight ability. Any/all of that will make your next attempt a potential failure. Sitting around may have ruined the batteries. There are lots of ways for flight to fail.

[sham]

Welcome, enjoy the plane... I do

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2014 17:50:24 GMT 1 sham said:

Welcome, enjoy the plane... I do

Thanks sham! I am looking forward to it.

[Deleted]

"Unless you have some exceptional ability you are as lacking in repair skills as you are in flight ability. Any/all of that will make your next attempt a potential failure."

This is a test, correct? Insult a new guy right from the get go to see if he qualifies? Really? Lacking in repair skills? You do not even know me sir. I've always been considered to be of at least average intelligence and capable with both both left and right hands simultaneously. Although I admire and respect the hobby of Model Aviation, I can say I have done a few things I would consider more technically challenging than repairing a styrofoam airplane. So you may rest easy in knowing I have completely disassembled the entire plane (all 12 or 14 screws), replaced broken or damaged parts, tested electronic parts with a multimeter, and put the TX thru it's paces on both my Heli's (without Failure).

To be sure I will hit the ground hard. Who doesn't? "Someone without experience can't fly....period." Prepare to be proven completely and unequivocally wrong! Rather than tossing out a flurry of garbage at people you don't know, you may want to practice encouragement and support sir. In the end you may end up in a more favorable light in everyone's eyes. Take advantage of your years and alleged experience and be a mentor.

In the mean time, please feel free to ignore all posts by me, if there are any.

Thanks again.

[sham]

While I understand why you're upset, Phil (I probably would be too) - I'm absolutely sure that Fly didn't mean that as it read.

If everythings straight, and it works - then I'm sure it will be fine. Just a note though, its certainly worth a double check that the rudder is trimmed straight by adjusting the clevis on the control rod so you don't have to trim much on the TX. The Cub is very sensitive to a tiny amount of rudder - and its surprisingly hard to get right, mine turned left even though everything looked spot on straight - even with a ruler placed against it. Very weird and something to be aware of on that first flight.
Also, you can fly much slower than you think you can. Practice up high, but its amazing how slow you can go when landing to make it gentle.

With regards to ACT - I removed the wires to the sensors shortly after I found this site. I'd made some flights in slightly windy conditions with ACT on previously and I only noticed it cut in once, but was so inexperienced it was hard to tell if it was me or ACT making the plane fly erratically. I do know that my flying smoothed out and the landings got better immediately after I got rid of it... but I'd also had more practice by then. I've yet to suffer anything worse than a landing nose over with ACT on or off (*throws a ton of salt and kicks black cat*), but I am more than happy to go along with those experienced folk who say its rubbish.

[Knackered Sailor]

Welcome philb. Fly is usually very helpful I've found so perhaps he was having an off day or more likely as often happens, words typed on a page don't come across as intended. Anyway, crash you will at some stage but what the hell enjoy it while it flies, fix it when it busts and fly again. :-)

[renard80]

Well, you guys may be magnanimous towards Philb, but I am pretty disgusted at his churlish attitude.

This has almost always been a happy Board, with members having broad backs, a sense of humour, and gratitude for advice.

For as long as I can remember, Flydiver has freely dispensed comprehensive, well meant and sound advice, particularly to newbies. Numerous members, myself included, continually record their thanks to him for his help, particularly with technical matters which leave many of us baffled.

For some reason, Philb's original post no longer shows, so I don't know what it contained. What I can see is Flydiver taking time and trouble - as usual - in trying to help him with a detailed response. Philb should be thankful, not reply with sour, ungrateful comments.

As Knackered Sailor observes, words can sometimes be misunderstood. Busy people do type things which convey different messages to different people.

Whatever, the newcomer Philb surely should have been more gracious in his response to a veteran member who was trying to help him.

I do hope this experience will not dissuade Flydiver from continuing to help us all. And if Philb wishes to flounce out (see his final paragraph), he will be the only loser.

[hghost]

Apr 28, 2014 14:21:03 GMT 1 @philb said:

"Unless you have some exceptional ability you are as lacking in repair skills as you are in flight ability. Any/all of that will make your next attempt a potential failure."

This is a test, correct? Insult a new guy right from the get go to see if he qualifies? Really? Lacking in repair skills? You do not even know me sir. I've always been considered to be of at least average intelligence and capable with both both left and right hands simultaneously. Although I admire and respect the hobby of Model Aviation, I can say I have done a few things I would consider more technically challenging than repairing a styrofoam airplane. So you may rest easy in knowing I have completely disassembled the entire plane (all 12 or 14 screws), replaced broken or damaged parts, tested electronic parts with a multimeter, and put the TX thru it's paces on both my Heli's (without Failure).

To be sure I will hit the ground hard. Who doesn't? "Someone without experience can't fly....period." Prepare to be proven completely and unequivocally wrong! Rather than tossing out a flurry of garbage at people you don't know, you may want to practice encouragement and support sir. In the end you may end up in a more favorable light in everyone's eyes. Take advantage of your years and alleged experience and be a mentor.

In the mean time, please feel free to ignore all posts by me, if there are any.

Thanks again.

the explanation was the ACT system on the Super Cub is and always will be JUNK. To have gotten a plane that has already been crashed, may cause more issues.

And planes do not crash on their own, pilots cause them to crash and the ACT system on the Super Cub WILL make that crash happen faster .

Simple statement. It was about the ACT system Not YOU.

And since you did buy a crashed plane already it may have hidden issues you do not know about, so the advice was to check it all to make sure all is OK

and the statement Fly made,QUOTE> BTW-one more plug for help. { NOTICE THAT WORD>>> HELP} You have a crashed plane. That itself may have screwed stuff up (trim, burned out ESC, bent prop shaft, broken firewall, cracked battery box...etc, etc.). Unless you have some exceptional ability you are as lacking in repair skills as you are in flight ability. Any/all of that will make your next attempt a potential failure. Sitting around may have ruined the batteries. There are lots of ways for flight to fail.

Was a friendly warning to check the plane and make sure it is OK and IF you have limited ability to repair IT and or fly IT your attempt will end in failure, because of it

That was not a insult towards you, that was sound advice to you.

I built planes for decades....and I can tell you I did Not have the skills to fly them and or set them up correctly .
It has taken me awhile to learn the simple things i knew nothing about. Modern technology has amazed me . And folks like Fly and others on this forum have helped me to gain that knowledge to be successful at it .And I am still learning everyday.

And when one thinks they are to old , to good, or has to much wisdom to learn or take advice, they have already failed.

So philb it was not an insult directed at you, read it again and you will see that.

" And some one without experience CAN NOT Fly ? "....I ask you ,can a person with no driving experience drive a car ?

You can go down the road but "driving" is not the term for it.

same goes for a plane, you can throw it around the sky, but it is not flying..and until you get experience your not going to, and with lack of some experience as you learn to do just that your going to make mistakes, crash and will have to Repair. For REPAIRING is 98 % of this hobby to think any less is ignorance of that fact.

Nothing said was an insult, everything said was advice and help, if you wanted it .

And only you can determine what you wish to do, and or the questions you ask and or the advice you accept...it is you who will either gain and learn and or reject and fail....it is after all your choice, like the rest of us.

[hghost]

And I will make another statement here. I have been on other forums and I can tell you there are people over there who absolutely believe their every word is gold.

they make the most ignorant statements and berate people who are trying to learn and get information

Not one time on this Forum, have i ever gotten ill advice and or an attitude that I was a waste or i was stupid or impossible to tell anything.

And I can speak openly about myself, I am one person who will annoy people to death simply because it takes me awhile to understand.

I ask the same questions over and over and may ask some pretty strange and sometimes ignorant stated words...( one thing in my head -another with my typing )

But not one time has anyone here ever spoke down to me or berated me, or treated me like I was inferior to them.

They all have been friendly and willing to give me advice, whether i understood it or liked it, they gave it and gave it out of respect AND a willingness to help.

Flydiver has been invaluable in my quest to learn. He has provided me links to read and words of wisdom to help me in every aspect

same goes for everyone on this forum.

Even when i annoy them with my rants and ask the same thing 20 different ways and rage on over and over...not once ( even tho i am sure at times they wanted to and I would have deserved it ) and yet not once have they ever mistreated me nor berated me over it.

One other forums I have been called everything one could imagine and spoken down to like a child and spoken to like i was worse than an animal and had no sense at all.

And even when i created a thread there were a few who constantly hijacked the forum just to spout nonsense to make me and others feel inferior to their so called expertise

I said all that to say this , This Club has been an excellent forum in many ways....and if anyone decides this forum can not help them or is bad...I pity them if they go to those others, they will not last a day.

my 2 cents worth..for what it's worth.

[Knackered Sailor]

Well said each, I did not see the original post either, weird. I'd like to echo the statement that this forum is brilliant and I for one really appreciate the expert advice that I've been given and have read here. I think I've said elsewhere that the breadth of knowledge some of the members have is amazing. Now let's move on and fly. :-)