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Post by hghost on Jan 15, 2014 5:05:27 GMT 1
Seems it is hard to get much help on any site but this one. We have discussed this topic before
But i must say anytime you try and discuss something on other forums it is literally like Lighting a Match to a can of Gasoline .
I own many different styles of planes. I like to know what others have done to improve or Modify them or is there a weakness or an issue I need to know about.
Most responses are pretty straight forward and simple, and little issues.But it's as if you make a suggestion or a correction of simply did not understand what they meant, it is LOOK OUT..............
I recently have been asking about heli's. I own one that flies very well, however it does not fly well in the wind at all and even a breeze can carry it away. I have been researching Mods and things , trying to get some info or even to find another Heli that will fly in some wind and a stiff breeze.
The Heli i fly is 3 channel-Coaxel- 30inch length and is supported by a gyro that almost flies itself as far as hovering and that sort, but it will not go through the wind at all.
So i ask is there a Heli that can and I mentioned some I saw on You Tube that by the video was flying in the wind....Again it was a match to gasoline. From None will ever fly outside in wind to Coaxel Heli's are garbage and toys they do not make any anymore cause they are junk...and that banter continued.
So in my wisdom i ask is there ANY Heli that will fly outside that does not cost $500 Bucks or more, well now it is silence and no help.
I was told evidently i did not want to learn how to fly a heli, i just wanted something to fly outside ? Well gee isn't flying outside the reason to fly a Heli ? And isn't searching for one to do so, not wanting to learn how ?
I get same responses when i ask about certain planes and truly no matter what one asks someone has some off the wall response.
I question when i watch a Heli ( a Toy as they claim for less than $50 bucks) being flown on You tube outside and even seeing the wind blow tree leaves while it is doing so....and then be told by so called Heli guy's, they can't ? That bugs me and I want to know . How can one learn about anything unless they ask and research and try and find out.
The difference in this site to others is, even if we do not agree nor understand whatever...there are those who will take the time to explain,give links, video's whatever to at least give you reasonable choices.
I have to come back every so often and make a post like this in hopes others who read and may not be a part of it can see the Big Difference in this one to others.
We may take some things wrong at times or explain things that may seem odd....but we try and help each other, not just with our Hobby but with life itself. We all are learning and growing in this life even when we have lived it along time. the greatest lesson i ever learned was the fact I will never be to old to learn and not only learn from those older than I, but i have learned some things from them much younger. Life is a constant learning experience to me anyway.
And with a childhood dream after all these years coming to pass and being able to enjoy it more with those here who post and take their time to help to me is a Blessing words can not describe, nor is there enough I could say , to say how much it means to me.
Thank you all who take your time,and give us your expertise and most of all your patience, to help us less knowledgeable ,and far less patient to learn we need to be.
Another post rambling on i know. But i get bored and have to stir the pot every so often. I simply get frustrated trying to learn things about other RC products that so many have wisdom about, but act like it is a crime or treat you like it is a competition to who can cut you down first or the most in their response....been one of those weeks I must say.
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Post by coupe1942 on Jan 15, 2014 9:25:12 GMT 1
I am not making fun of your post, but sort of ironically laughing, as most folks who actually have flown in real choppers can tell you directly that the aerodynamics of a heli is about like a bumblebee and God never meant for them to fly to begin with. I am the first to admit that i know absolutely nothing about the flight characteristics and idiosyncrasies of the RC or toy ones. I do wonder if it is more about the lack of weight of the things than simply the rotor pitch or balance and such when in flight. My old UH-34d just seemed to jump up into the air and do it's thing with nothing in the least stopping it, but high winds were never something to chance even for it. The cheaper helis that I have come across just seemed like a pretty good way to toss away some cash, as they break so very easily. They seemed more for indoor flight than anything else. My kids and I started out with a toy chopper back in the 70's, but I honestly don't recall just what model it was and we never really took it up in high winds at the time. It was gas powered and still have more weight to the body than any of the RC ones I have seen lately. Sorry that I can't really advise you on the subject. I have seen those in my local hobby store flying about inside, but have not seen any locally in outside flight. The ones at GoPro sites are generally well above the cost factor that you mention, but still, you may be able to go to such forum places or even at some of the YouTube videos and ask you same question. They may be able to offer up some useful advise. I enjoy the Phantom and such, but no way can I afford that sort of investment. There is a place I have ordered cameras from in the past. They are called Chinavasion and I see they have started offering up some various RC helis at their site in their Electronics Gadgets section. I have no idea as to the cost or quality. I have never had any issues from their products in the past though. Here is a link and you can at least check them out. They have always answered my emails, so they may be a source for answering some of your questions. www.chinavasion.com/Good luck with the answers. |
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Post by coupe1942 on Jan 15, 2014 9:40:40 GMT 1
My wife and I visited the Will Rogers Memorial Complex a few months back, as they have a weekly swap meet there. When there, I happened upon a vendor that was selling RC helis and planes. We spoke for quite a while, but more about the SC than anything else. You may check out his site for anything that may be useful for you. I am not trying to push him off on anyone, as I have no clue as to the quality of his merchandise or how good a vendor he really is. It is just an idea to possibly check out from me and not an endorsement, as I really do not know the guy. He had several helis and they were of different prices though. Many were cheaper than what I had seen at my local hobby store. www.playtimerc.com was the site that is listed on his business card that I have kept. I don't recall his name and I didn't see it on his card. Good luck on your quest. I am amazed that I even kept the card. :-)  |
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Post by hghost on Jan 16, 2014 4:20:40 GMT 1
Thanks Coupe1942 : Yeah flying one is challenge that's for sure. I have one that actually flies pretty well as long as the wind is not blowing at all. It is large with allot of lights on it, Looks great in the night sky.Just won't move around in the wind or a breeze. One would think as heavy and as Large as it is it would. Anyway i will check out your links.
I did btw get a response over on that heli forum finally from someone who was not cutting me down, one gave me a link to a Heli that goes from 2 channel to 5 channel. It is a Co-axial Heli that actually flies in a very hard wind. Put it on 2 or 3 channel to learn to fly Hover -slow moving and than up to 4 channel to do some moving around in slight winds and than to 5 channel to fly really fast and through heavy wind. Even comes with some upgraded parts to make it go even better as one gets more experience.
Link here :http://www.hobbypeople.net/index.php/electric-rc-helicopters-1-heli/electric-helis/coaxial-helis/hpheli-x-2-rtf-350-size-dual-rotor-outdoor-helicopter.html
I just wanted a Heli to tinker with in my yard on days when i am not flying my planes and fly a little after dark at home outside.
I like the idea also this heli comes with a landing gear upgrade kit so one can mount a camera on it .Something else I wanted to do in the near future.Like to look over my area and beyond from the air. Quadcopters start out in the 4-5 hundred dollar range and one has to learn to fly them, most are 6 channel to start with, unless you have one of those inside jobs. I have two small Heli's i can fly inside, they are Ok, but not that fun.
Seems they do make one that does fly in the wind and can be for beginners to the experienced after all.I guess allot of those so called experts need to do their research and actually learn about what they claim they know.That is what bothers me. We try and learn and hunt and search and ask, and many claim to know about them, and when you ask they get offended or angry or something and worse when you point at video's saying ,"Look it flies in the wind "...yet they say Co-axials are just toys and even the toy stores stopped selling them because they are junk? And yet everywhere I go sells them and they are all over those forums and even have a whole forum dedicated to Co-axial Heli's ? Why I made this thread...another one of those deals....and btw the battery on that Heli and it's end looks allot like the Super cub battery end...I also have a Decathlon that has an end that looks like that ? Need a closer look at that battery to tell.
Also like the fact the place that sells it is in the States.
Thanks again Coupe .
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Post by hghost on Jan 16, 2014 4:52:48 GMT 1
After viewing the battery on that site it is not the same end on the batteries. It is some sort of T-Connector type.For a moment I thought it was the same....shucks.
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Post by flydiver on Jan 16, 2014 21:19:13 GMT 1
That's just a Deans. They work fine. I use them. Don't want it, swap it out.
FWIW, the varying levels of control on that copter are probably just several stages of Dual Rates and/or EXPO (probably D/R) that you can program on any decent TX. Even the Hi/Lo of the DX4 has D/R. As you toggle 'up' you just make the controls more aggressive. You can't actually make the copter inherently more capable without actually modifying it in some way...just like the Cub. If you can't fly it in calm on high, you certainly can't fly it in wind on high.
I've said it before...flying in wind is mostly the pilot. Yes, the plane size, power, drag, setup, and capability all make a difference too. Since it is mostly pilot, Pilot capability varies a LOT, and many people have an agenda, it behooves you to read all reviews skeptically.
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Post by hghost on Jan 17, 2014 4:40:20 GMT 1
Extreme wind video showing that Heli, I was talking about www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7pQx9WQnGYFly after looking at the site that sold that Heli. It shows that dean style T connector in the pic, but when you click over to their batteries they show the battery they say is special to that Heli and it has a total different end ? Here is the site link.http://www.hobbypeople.net/ Click on Heli's coaxial and the newest version of that heli X2 350 and look at that battery and then go to their battery listing and that shows a total different end. Odd when they do that stuff. Anyway I like the thought that Heli will fly in the wind at all. Still getting some beef from another guy over there over co-axial Heli's....strange people in this world ( yeah i know what your thinking like me huh ? ...) Lol |
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Post by Knackered Sailor on Jan 17, 2014 12:05:00 GMT 1
I suppose, thinking about it, a helicopter when airborne is basically weightless and so would be subject to the wind. It will depend on it's power and angle of rotors to cope with the conditions as well as, of course, pilot skill.
Pretty impressive video btw hghost
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Post by flydiver on Jan 18, 2014 2:37:08 GMT 1
My first plane (Megatech Skyliner) would NOT fly at all. I even had a very experienced pilot try. Of course I looked at their site and they had a video showing it would fly just fine. Who's wrong....me, or them?
What? Not showing the correct end on a battery product! Horrors! It's amazing anyone would buy from them.
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Post by hghost on Jan 18, 2014 3:49:23 GMT 1
My first plane (Megatech Skyliner) would NOT fly at all. I even had a very experienced pilot try. Of course I looked at their site and they had a video showing it would fly just fine. Who's wrong....me, or them? What? Not showing the correct end on a battery product! Horrors! It's amazing anyone would buy from them. Now fly, you know there is a perfectly logical explanation.......they used fishing twine you just never saw it. Battery advertising is maddening to view at online Hobby shops..... |
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Post by flydiver on Jan 18, 2014 17:18:45 GMT 1
Now fly, you know there is a perfectly logical explanation.......they used fishing twine you just never saw it. Battery advertising is maddening to view at online Hobby shops..... Twine? I actually wouldn't be surprised. Likely they put a power system in it that actually had power. Mine would not develop enough power to take off or even fly when thrown. This happens in other sports where a custom product is disguised as an off the rack one to prop up advertising. Battery advertising.....hmph, MOST advertising in this sport has about as much truth to it as car adverts. It's all hype and little to negative substance. Nitroplanes is classic for this. ALL their planes are suitable for Beginners > Advanced (easy to fly but high performance), AND they are crash-proof too. They ALL fly wonderfully in their videos. |
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Post by hghost on Jan 19, 2014 2:48:21 GMT 1
Now fly, you know there is a perfectly logical explanation.......they used fishing twine you just never saw it. Battery advertising is maddening to view at online Hobby shops..... Twine? I actually wouldn't be surprised. Likely they put a power system in it that actually had power. Mine would not develop enough power to take off or even fly when thrown. This happens in other sports where a custom product is disguised as an off the rack one to prop up advertising. Battery advertising.....hmph, MOST advertising in this sport has about as much truth to it as car adverts. It's all hype and little to negative substance. Nitroplanes is classic for this. ALL their planes are suitable for Beginners > Advanced (easy to fly but high performance), AND they are crash-proof too. They ALL fly wonderfully in their videos. Remember the old days when they hung the planes up and moved the background scene behind it, so it appeared to be flying ?.....I wonder if they still do that ? Nitroplanes are perfect what are you talking about ? LOL I watched a video one day of their crashes....they do it allot. Those Bloopers are edited out. They have and do destroy allot of planes.But the Public is never told the bad about the planes they sell. Sometimes they will make mention of a certain characteristic the plane has, but not that it will fail. I hate when they advertise suitable for beginners. there are few planes ever suitable for beginners. Just cause it is 3 channel does not make it an beginners plane. Now they advertise most all 4 channel ones are suitable for beginners . Weird. |
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Post by hghost on Jan 22, 2014 1:25:14 GMT 1
Rather than start a new thread on this beginning Topic, I was posting in another forum and did not know a simple Thread in a few Forums (more than one ) was a CRIME....
Needless to say, a simple thing such as that got me suspended from the entire Site ? Reason--> Cross Posts ?
But anyway, that is the nonsense one puts up with on other sites.
I will ask here If i post a question on different threads will I get suspended here to ?
They sent me a private message that stated to edit my posts or be suspended, and yet suspended me and now will not allow me to edit, delete or Nothing for so many days ?
I guess telling people your going to kill them, cursing someone, calling them names, treating them like crap when they ask a question or need some answers are all things Great and I read that on almost every forum everyday...but DO NOT DARE...ask the same question in different forums...it is the Crime of Cross Posting ?
Needless to say , all i asked was, why does someone start a thread about a certain plane or product and someone is asking to learn and by the end of the page everyone is talking about everything but what the thread was about ? That alone got allot of complaints and a few I was an idiot type answers..and yet, it was a Crime that got me suspended.
Worse I can not even get to my account to delete it. But that will be priority number one when i do.
Do not want to be on a site one can not even ask a legitimate question and one on a plane forum, heli forum and even a car forum and get suspended for asking.
I like to ask a question about something and get an answer...as i am sure many others do as well...
Could not imagine coming here asking about a battery and then get a whole conversation about someones tennis shoes or how to properly fry chicken to make it crispier...
that would drive me nuts and that is the sort of stuff I read on many of those forums. Some one asks about a plane and it starts out with that topic and then winds up all over the spectrum from clothing to cars, to even someones underwear color.
Another rant, but seriously, guess not lining up with such nonsense to me is a good thing. To them I guess not....suspension is the punishment for not gong along with the statis quo .
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Post by Knackered Sailor on Jan 22, 2014 13:15:53 GMT 1
As a vegetarian I'm not too interested in how to fry crispier chicken but should I take up tennis what shoes would you recommend? Oh and My preference in under pants is blue. lol :-D
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Post by flydiver on Jan 22, 2014 23:20:30 GMT 1
Cross posting is kind of a standard prohibition in these kinds of forums. How would you like it if someone like you (tending toward long winded rambling posts) posted the same question in 4 threads in this forum? People do that. Then they get antsy if no one answers in an hour. They they ask somewhere else if the don't like the answer.
It ain't a crime, it is occasionally a nuisance. You generally don't get kicked out for doing it once, you get warned. Did you give the moderator some attitude? They are ALL volunteers and don't have much time for that. Spammers alone are enough of a problem.
FWIW I think a more pervasive problem is people not willing to do even the tiniest bit of work and asking the same basic questions over and over and over and over and over and over.......(what is the best......name product?...preferably really really cheap....). But it seems to be universal in all the forums.
Sometimes you see 3-4 in a row all on the same page at the same time. Do they think they are going to get a different or better answer by asking yet one more time?
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