R.I.P. Aces High...Hello New Setup!

[N4768Z]

It's good to have it up and flying again. I love the new upgrades. I could have done a better job on the graphix but I was getting anxious. I'll tweak em later. The classic Super Cub stripe is either coming off or getting relocated, that was a last minute idea.

Anyway, here's my video.

[skivit48]

Very very nice vid!!!! Almost clipped yourself too.

[keok]

Cool Video.
I like that graphic I saw it at my auto parts store I might have to copy that too. ;D

[ginginho]

Nice Vid n (can I call you that?)
A couple of observations:
Demise of Aces High: Were you actually putting it into a banking manoveur prior to the spin? The reason I ask is that it looks like you were and then it went a little too far (wings beyond 90 degrees to the ground), in which case once it was in this aspect (>90 degrees), input to flight control is not necessarily as it is when the wing is providing lift. elevator is reversed etc.
2nd Point: Close fly by: Looks nice on the vid. Careful with that though, and I hope that it was just a case of getting it a bit wrong rather than purposely buzzing yourself and your mates. If you were flying at a club in the UK and did that you'd get a lot of questions being asked about why you were flying over the (informal) pilot area, from a safety aspect. I'm not trying to be a killjoy or a doom mongerer, but the BMFA (which provide insurance and guidelines on safe flyingin the UK) are quite clear about over flying the pilot (and potentially public) area, I'd expect the AMA to have a similar stance.
I think the point I'm trying to make is enjoy the sport, but try to do it safely. Model aero gets enough bad press as it is and little good press. The majority on this forum are learning the art of controlling these things in the air, any press report of someone being hit (or close miss) by a model plane adds to the anti-model arguments ensuring that authorities can have more justification to ban this activity from their public places.

Apologies for sounding like an old woman or that I may come across as being negative, I'm only attempting to point out that the public perception of this sport isn't necessarily the same as ours.
Fly may back me up on this point, I don't know. A while back there was a someone who joined this forum who posted video links of him dropping cherry bombs (that's what there are called in the US, right?) over and around a school building amoungst other reckless antics. It doesn't take a leap of imagination for a neutral observer to see the potential hazard with this sort of activity. I don't think that pilot has been on here for a while. Maybe he did one of his tricks once too often...

I'm glad you are back in the air and have what looks to be a nicely built cub. Keep it right side up and not a lawndart! ;D

[N4768Z]

ginginho thanks for the response.

Demise of Aces High - I'm not sure. I remember flying toward the softball game and thinking that I should bring it back. It turned to the right and kept turning. I shifted the rudder and pulled back on the elevator but got no response. It's been a while but that's how I remember it. I'm sure that it was a steep turn rather than gradually applied rudder. I often climb, power down then come about sharply in a decent building up speed. I like that maneuver. I guess it should be saved for a warbird or something but I've performed it many many times without any problems. I do remember trying to shift the rudder left and then pulling back on the elevator to slow the decent. I'm not really sure.
Close fly by: A little of both. I was performing a low altitude loop to get it on camera, I did not intend to loop it back into myself. I've done this a few times with the loop being in front of me rather than me being a part of the loop, I botched it up this time.

I am fully capable of flying the plane where I want and controlled. I often push the envelope and fly steep dives or low sweeping passes. I love buzzing the ground at high speeds and climbing sharply. I'm completely guilty of all of my sins and wrong doings as far as the plane goes. I don't usually fly over people walking the field or using it at the school.

So...what does this mean? I don't fly with a club or anyone else that belongs to a club. I would like to, but I don't want to pay a full years due's when I'm only home six months out of the year. So, I fly in the "Park Flyer" catagory. Am I pushing it too hard? I'm a self taught pilot with lots of passion. I love RC flying and even rebuilding my plane. I don't want to screw it up for others. I want to continue to grow with the sport and bring my son with me. I'll share this thread with him and we'll talk about it.

Cherry bombs huh?...hmm (j/k)



Thanks for the feedback!

[Dillzio]

Jun 18, 2010 22:24:40 GMT 1 ginginho said:

A while back there was a someone who joined this forum who posted video links of him dropping cherry bombs (that's what there are called in the US, right?) over and around a school building amoungst other reckless antics. It doesn't take a leap of imagination for a neutral observer to see the potential hazard with this sort of activity.

That would have been one awesome fete of engineering. How the hell did he light the fuses by remote control?

I've often thought loading a plane up with 'pop pops' would be good, they're sold at gag shops, and fireworks shops too I think. They look kind of like a baby mouse made out of paper, it's some sort of explosive wrapped in paper and twisted together to make a little tail. You throw them at the ground and they make a pop noise. The pop pops are pretty harmless really, but dropping cherry bombs is just plain psycho!

[ginginho]

Jun 19, 2010 0:51:34 GMT 1 N4768Z said:

So...what does this mean?

I think the main thing is as you say, is to be aware of your surroundings and the possibilty of the consequences if something goes wrong. Flying safely is no less fun than not, it just requires a little thought.

[N4768Z]

A second thought:

I talked about this with my co-pilot and we agree that for the most part we DO fly with caution. We put ourselves in harms way when we are filming and trying to get close for some good shots but rarely is anyone else on the field or in the vacinity. The fact that we display them on our videos doesn't mean that we are reckless or careless. Let's face it, our mishaps make for some entertaining video. However, this has been good "situational awareness" training and I appreciate your thoughts and feedback. We will be carefull. :-)

Were you actually putting it into a banking manoveur prior to the spin? The reason I ask is that it looks like you were and then it went a little too far (wings beyond 90 degrees to the ground), in which case once it was in this aspect (>90 degrees), input to flight control is not necessarily as it is when the wing is providing lift. elevator is reversed etc.

I'd like to know more about this. Do you think that I over controlled it to the ground? I think that I see what your saying, let the wings get some air underneath before applying throttle?




Here ya go Dill ;D

[ginginho]

Thanks for posting the video, that's the chap.
He also has various other videos showing his antics that seem less than safe. There is/was a thread on here somewhere where I asked him how his parents will feel if they get a law suit for personal injury caused by his behavour. I'm not sure he answered, but that is a possible reason why he is no longer on this forum.
I think in the cherry bomb trick he lit the fuses before leaving the ground. His SC shows plenty of scars from his ownership (IIRC he actually caught it alight on one occasion).
I don't doubt that you and your co-pilot fly safely and it's good to read confirmation. I hope I haven't come across as overbearing, I only wanted to highlight that there are dangers with this sport, even with a foamy.
As for the Aces High demise possibly through control, consider that when the wings are 90 degrees to gravity they provide no lift (in effect they push the airframe sideways), the rudder acts like the elevator, and the elevator like the rudder. When inverted, elevator is reversed (stick forward to keep nose up), and rudder has an opposite effect (left causes right turn and vice versa). So if you are somewhere between 90deg and inverted the controls will have different effects (partially inverted, partially as at a 90 degrees aspect) than in straight and level flight.

[N4768Z]

I couldn't help myself! It was such a cool spot to fly I made another quick video.

You can take your parachute off for this one ginginho and enjoy the flight! (Sorry, had to rib ya a bit) enjoy!

[Dillzio]

My pop pops idea!!!
Thanks for posting the vid :-)


To get used to controlling the airplane while it's upside down, on it's side ect, I like to practice the 'slow roll'
www.sanantoniorc.com/page/aerobatics.htm

The aim is to slowly roll the airplane without loosing any altitude or change your heading, and it's much harder than you might like to think. Try doing a normal roll with just ailerons, and you'll see that the plane goes in a bit of a corkscrew and comes out of the roll pointing downwards. It works like so:

say you roll to the right, as the plane moves onto it's side you need to give it some left rudder, this will act to keep the nose from dropping while the plane's on it's side. As rolls past 90 degrees, you back off the rudder, and introduce some down elevator, since while the plane is upside down you need down elevator to prevent it from diving. As the plane rolls around more, you back off the elevator, and start introducing right rudder which again, will to keep the nose from dropping. As you roll past 90 degrees and get back into straight level flight, you back off the rudder and introduce a little up elevator to keep the nose level.

[Dillzio]

Oh, and whenever your plane is in a dive, particularly when it's near the ground, it's a good idea to back the throttle right off. As long as gravity is propelling your plane downwards at 9.8m/s/s thrust from the motor is quite unnecessary, and will just give you less time to recover, and make you hit a lot harder if you don't.

Here's another trick you can practice if you're feeling up to it, but it looks pretty complicated. I'm not going to pretend for a moment that I can do it.

[N4768Z]

Thanks for the tips Dill. I'm going to apply them to my simulator and give them a shot.

[ginginho]

Jun 19, 2010 22:03:47 GMT 1 N4768Z said:

You can take your parachute off for this one ginginho and enjoy the flight! (Sorry, had to rib ya a bit) enjoy!

No need to apologise for the ribbing, all part of the game! ;D Nice lcoation, and nice video. I wish I had scenery that interesting around my area.

[Legot]

Anonther thing if it has not been mentioned before.

When your plane goes into a death spiral that you can't get out of, opposite rudder usualy can get you out of it, even when your upside down.

I was looking at some of that guy's videos today, and the newest one whas quite halarious (to me being insane)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T40KR7J3MrM you can skip to 1:40 and not miss anything.
It seems obvious to not do a loop from 1 ft above the ground.
And at what looks to be that very same school!

Dude, your going to become like a legend when it comes to epic SC paint Jobs. Next time (when you want a second cub, not need a new one) you had better jump on the Monokote wagon