|
|
Post by smoovness on Jul 27, 2012 5:22:50 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by shandley on Aug 13, 2012 5:34:32 GMT 1
Hmmm. Broken Link
|
|
raymer
Flying officer
Posts: 4
|
Post by raymer on Dec 4, 2012 13:23:01 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by flydiver on Dec 10, 2012 7:06:25 GMT 1
Couple of points: A power 10 is beyond being well powered. They even have this caution in the instructions:
[WOT takeoffs should be avoided until the pilot becomes familiar with the extraordinary
power available.]
They (of course) are mostly selling Horizon products with these instructions.
And....did anyone else notice the video plane only had half a prop?
|
|
Gohmer
Squadron leader
Posts: 113
|
Post by Gohmer on Dec 10, 2012 18:47:31 GMT 1
Nothing official about that site. Just a sleezy way to capitalize off Horizon Hobby.
|
|
raymer
Flying officer
Posts: 4
|
Post by raymer on Dec 23, 2012 15:41:12 GMT 1
Nothing official about that site. Just a sleezy way to capitalize off Horizon Hobby. HobbyZone.com doesn't have any connection to HobbyZone and Horizon Hobby? They fooled me! I guess they get away with it because they are Hobby Zone (with a space) and not HobbyZone (one word)? Anyway that mod uses HobbyZone parts and seems like it would work well - although I am personally not interested in going brushless. I might try the aileron mod someday... |
|
no49
Flying officer
Posts: 1
|
Post by no49 on Jan 1, 2013 15:40:33 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by gumpli77 on Nov 13, 2013 7:49:57 GMT 1
Hello ,everybody.I'm from China.It's really a fantacy place,people there are very friendly and helpful.There're also some places of interests in my hometown,I love it and hope that you can visite it someday.I was graduated from University,it's also a nice school.There're 3 people in my family,you know,my parents and I.We love each other and live a happy life.I usually play RC toys in my spare time,and I think I'm good at flying RC helis.  So,you see,I'm really an easygoing gal. www.rctophobby.com |
|
|
|
Post by hghost on Nov 14, 2013 4:22:30 GMT 1
I realize this is an older post but as to comment about it.
I know people like to grow in their flying and do things to do so. Why buy when you can create perhaps. But to me a plane designed in this case the Super Cub as a 3 channel plane why go and change it with Ailerons (when you can get others seeing how you will grow upward into them eventually) that are equipped with Ailerons already ?
One will eventually , I guess , get away from the SC to other planes anyway.
Buy a wing to make ailerons, maybe, but the design and stress is set for 3 channel , isn't adding Ailerons an added stress to this design and may cause issues ?
I have no intention on adding ailerons to my Cub, I was just curious and wondered. I have seen allot of flexing in the wings on some SC video's that were extreme and some broken wing damage, wondered if that was the cause ?
I have other planes that are aileron equipped , so I will not change my Cub other than just a few Mods, I have done to protect it some.
Just a wonder and something to discuss and a little curious.
|
|
|
|
Post by flydiver on Nov 14, 2013 22:06:35 GMT 1
I realize this is an older post but as to comment about it. I know people like to grow in their flying and do things to do so. Why buy when you can create perhaps. But to me a plane designed in this case the Super Cub as a 3 channel plane why go and change it with Ailerons (when you can get others seeing how you will grow upward into them eventually) that are equipped with Ailerons already ? Not inevitable, but probable. Many folks starting out on the Cub think it'll be their only plane. Most likely not but true for some it may remain so. It becomes a steady stable plane for others, and some folks simply move on. You're making assumptions about plane stress and design, as well as the builder's capability, and many other factors. You have to do some very specific modifications to go brushless and ailerons. If you don't, you'll pay. OTOH, you'll learn a lot by doing it, and even by messing it up. That's how you learn. Most EVERYTHING of importance in this sport is learned 'the hard way'. If you don't learn on this platform, you'll possibly incur the 'lesson' on a more expensive/nicer plane. It's just a decision on where to put your money, effort, and building skills (or lack of them). BnF has created a whole new school of pilots that can barely glue anything together. There are a lot of folks that get one of their first lessons by removing the troublesome struts and flying it that way. Some folks even advocate it. Ultimately you'll learn from that mistake. You'll also learn if you do the aileron mod without proper reinforcement. |
|
|
|
Post by hghost on Nov 15, 2013 0:54:07 GMT 1
[quote author=" flydiver"[/quote]There are a lot of folks that get one of their first lessons by removing the troublesome struts and flying it that way. Some folks even advocate it. Ultimately you'll learn from that mistake. You'll also learn if you do the aileron mod without proper reinforcement. ) Why i asked and commented on this old post to get a discussion such as this.I assume allot that's for sure, I question and I question again to get the scoop. Planes are designed for certain things ( my opinion ) Most real planes can do what they are designed to do and going beyond that causes issues, and I wondered if that same limitations fall upon these RC planes we all love so much. Reinforcement is a matter, I wonder how many actually do when Modifying their plane before they fly ? We see the many Mods for the SC here on this forum and others and i am sure many seek and study the aileron Mods on the Super Cub before they do it. But how many get it right ? the wing Strut conversation , about whether to keep them or change them or whatever is another such question. Just watching a few videos I saw wings flexing well beyond what i would call safe and they had struts, but also ailerons added, why i asked that question. I just wonder if we go overboard in wanting our plane to do what it was not intended to do , originally . One can not for example expect the SC to handle like a War Bird or the Champ to handle like the SC, the design is different,it's capability is different. Many factors, wind, power, etc etc and especially the pilot , all factors in how a plane reacts and or does not react. Are the forces on the plane changed in a manner to cause damage with the addition of ailerons, with taking away the dihedral and or changing it's angle ? One getting wing saddle damage and the wing not setting correctly and or wind getting under the wing and lifting up and or not setting the wing in the Center and allowing it to go far to one side, subtle little things at some point that cause issues . I just question these things and wonder the mindset of folks. Is it a a learning thing or is it one of those things "they did it, so I thought I would to ?" Much like my questioning Why...so much ..... Thanks Fly |
|
|
|
Post by flydiver on Nov 15, 2013 18:38:08 GMT 1
Some people are pretty much into scale flying-a plane set up to look like and fly like it was originally intended.
Other folks see this as a wide open field to experiment and play-no rules (beyond safety...hopefully).
You certainly can push planes way beyond their original flight envelope. I can point you at few threads on pushing HZ Strykers well beyond 100mph. They are hardly like the original at all besides the basic shape.
And everything in between. I'm sorta in that camp. Most planes can use a few tweaks to improve them without changing the character noticeably. There are always weaknesses in any plane. Some need a lot of help to even fly reliably. I didn't get into flying because I like or know about planes, I don't know squat about airplanes or airplane history. I just like the flying part so that's what I concentrate on. I admit to being weird-ed out the first few 3D flat foamies I saw. They simply don't look like planes, but they also don't fly like them.
Folks that follow me also know I find the whole electrics/power plant portion of it probably the most compelling....for me. Many folks don't care much about that part or find it complex and confusing. I think that's the 'good part'. As I've said before, "flying is easy, the electrics are hard".
|
|
|
|
Post by hghost on Nov 15, 2013 21:15:25 GMT 1
Some people are pretty much into scale flying-a plane set up to look like and fly like it was originally intended. Other folks see this as a wide open field to experiment and play-no rules (beyond safety...hopefully). You certainly can push planes way beyond their original flight envelope. I can point you at few threads on pushing HZ Strykers well beyond 100mph. They are hardly like the original at all besides the basic shape. And everything in between. I'm sorta in that camp. Most planes can use a few tweaks to improve them without changing the character noticeably. There are always weaknesses in any plane. Some need a lot of help to even fly reliably. I didn't get into flying because I like or know about planes, I don't know squat about airplanes or airplane history. I just like the flying part so that's what I concentrate on. I admit to being weird-ed out the first few 3D flat foamies I saw. They simply don't look like planes, but they also don't fly like them. Folks that follow me also know I find the whole electrics/power plant portion of it probably the most compelling....for me. Many folks don't care much about that part or find it complex and confusing. I think that's the 'good part'. As I've said before, "flying is easy, the electrics are hard". I guess I fall into that scale type flying. I also enjoy the build and especially how planes are unique.How one handles compared to another that sort of thing. I am learning about the electronics and have so much to learn, did not realize how much I needed to learn, and how far technology has advanced. Beyond my abilities that's for sure. I just wondered about how the planes are affected with change.....designed one way and flown another. |
|
|
|
Post by flydiver on Nov 15, 2013 21:33:47 GMT 1
I'd say it depends. The 'real SC is a flat wing plane with ailerons...most regular flying planes are (I think). So the HZ-SC is a modified plane to make it a 3-ch trainer in the first place. It's gone through 3 incarnations that I know of, most to do with electronics. The are a number of Cubs out there very similar to a modified SC already. They are just harder to learn on, harder to fix, and generally have less support. The good ones (Apprentice, Funcub) cost quite a bit more and the cheaper ones are often just that...cheap. I have a HZ sorta glider style Aerobird [http://secure.hobbyzone.com/HBZ3600.html]. Stripped a servo and the fix was a whole new plane (I hate proprietary parts). I gutted the electronics and put in new but left it brushed. I had a tad better control with superior equipment but mostly it was the same bird. Then I put a Stryker motor in it, probably 3-4x the power. It actually flew pretty awful until I did a bunch of trimming to settle it down. It flies oddly at full throttle. It just is not designed to go that fast. It is not a good trainer anymore, nor is it a fun 'rocket ship'. It's just an odd plane. I generally fly at 1/4-1/2 throttle when I take it out (rarely). A lot of newly modded Cubs end up with problems. All you have to do is read some in this forum. Trouble is, at this level it's just about impossible to figure out whether it's a botched job, a badly tuned plane, or an inexperienced pilot dealing with ailerons for the first time. Excessive climb is common. This plane is designed to climb at full throttle, which is a VERY common flight characteristic. With the brushless motor it goes a lot faster > thus it climbs, often excessively. This can be dealt with but it takes skill on the sticks, potentially some more tweaks, and there are things you can do in the TX to mitigated the climbing. The original gearbox+motor is heavy. Often the new brushless package is a lot lighter. CG gets all messed up and folks don't know enough to fix it before they fly. Motor angle gets messed up, and more. So the plane ends up being unflyable or a handful. The result with an inexperienced pilot tends to be the same.  |
|
|
|
Post by hghost on Nov 16, 2013 23:01:45 GMT 1
Most planes have some sort of Dihedral .Whether it is positive or negative depends on planes design. ( negative is called -"Anhedral angle") .Some are pitched up and some pitched down, some just have wing tips up or down . Few are actually perfectly flat.Well probably more than I know of, but still most have some sort of angle.
Well that was my idea for the post, is how does the changes affect these planes.Wing Changes, Motor changes etc etc....I am not one to experiment to much because I have allot still to learn about flight. Hate to watch planes get destroyed cause I just wanted to see if it would do it sort of thing. I have built allot of planes just to see them get smashed...and I hated that and drove me away from the Hobby.
Back then money was to tight and limited places to buy from and no internet and or places to learn much about RC flight. so just had to "wing" it as it were.
Now with better technology and foam, makes for a whole new breed of abilities.I guess if I were to experiment with stuff it would have to be on real cheap designed planes the SC is really not that Cheap, but it does repair easy enough.
Just in my mind, if I want ailerons I will buy one with it already and set up for it. I have many planes some with and some without, some large some small...my array of planes has grown, not counting Balsa kits yet to be built.
CG is a real bummer with changes. many do changes and never redo the CG. I see many RC stores with video's and they never talk or I should say Rarely mention the CG of the plane.You see them flying and it does so well....and when you buy it, it is extremely tail heavy or nose heavy and that varies as well.
I have watched You Tube video of certain planes and they described their plane as tail heavy and when I got one it was the total opposite. When I was younger and building to get into the hobby i never knew nothing about CG and why I know that alone cost me a few planes. Learned about it the hard way. there were no flying clubs or hobby shops local and still very few and few that know anything when there are.I have a local Store that sells Horizon Hobby stuff but they have No Clue about anything. They sell mostly car and truck stuff..very few planes and no parts at all. So most of my stuff is bought online and from other parts of the Country and the World.
I am learning and growing slowly, but until I get really great at it...I will stick with what i know and fly the plane the way it is designed and not change it to much to alter those characteristics .
Strange folks who altered their Cub have not responded with comments on this subject ? That alone makes me wonder how bad the experiences really are ...Lol
|
|
So,you see,I'm really an easygoing gal.
